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  The Great Tribulation - For Whom, & By Whom?

  by The Searcher in

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  2. bible

  there is much speculation about many aspects of the great tribulation.

  since it is in god's word the bible that we are informed of this event, then we should allow him to give us any relevant information regarding that event, if that is his wish.. the scripture tells us, "for the sovereign lord jehovah will not do a thing unless he has revealed his confidential matter to his servants the prophets.

  " (amos 3:7).

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  Ultimate Reality

  You're also conflating scriptures. What does Jeremiah 25 have to do with Revelation?
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  Scholastic Dishonesty - June 2012 Awake - Jewish Exile Timeline

  by Ultimate Reality in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  the june 2012 awake has another article on the exile of the jews by the babylonians.

  once again the wt quotes dishonestly.. .

  from page 14:.

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  @diamondiiz -- Thanks for posting that link. I guess they just keep recycling the same non-sense.
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  Scholastic Dishonesty - June 2012 Awake - Jewish Exile Timeline

  by Ultimate Reality in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  the june 2012 awake has another article on the exile of the jews by the babylonians.

  once again the wt quotes dishonestly.. .

  from page 14:.

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  Ultimate Reality

  The June 2012 Awake has another article on the exile of the Jews by the Babylonians. Once again the WT quotes dishonestly.

  From Page 14:

  "Did the Israelites remain captive in Babylon for 70 years as the Bible foretold? Note the comments of a leading Israeli archaeologist, Ephraim Stern. “From 604 B.C.E. to 538 B.C.E.—there is a complete gap in evidence suggesting occupation. In all that time, not a single town destroyed by the Babylonians was resettled.” The so-called gap in which there was no occupation or resettling of conquered territory corresponds closely to Israel’s exile in Babylon from from 607 to 537 B.C.E.—2 Chronicles 36:20, 21." - Awake, June 2012, p. 14

  What the article fails to mention is that under the WT interpretation of the period's dating, all 'secular' dates get pushed back by 20 years. 604 BCE becomes 624 BCE. They are misuing the quote by Stern to bolster their chronological arguments by relying on the ignorance of the reader reagarding both that period of history and the WT's method of calculating the dates -- which they do not disclose.

  Futher, here is an excerpt from the opening of Stern's article:

  "In 586 B.C.E., they [Babylon] burnt Jerusalem and destroyed the Temple, bringing an end to the southern Kingdom of Judah and 400 years of Davidic rule." - The Babylonian Gap, Ephraim Stern, Biblical Archaeology Review; Nov/Dec 2000

  Obviously, Stern is yet another expert the WT is using who does not agree that the Termple was destroyed in 607 BCE. Further, the WT cannot honestly use secular dates from that period to 'prove' it's own conflicted interpretation.
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  Opinion-Is This Clear Evidence that Jehovah's Holy Spirit is with The Watchtower?

  by DavinciCodeBreaker in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i was having a discussion with an aquaintance about if there was evidence that the watchtower has jehovah's holy spirit.

  he said, "given the fact that no other organization has won more supreme court cases than jehovah's witnesses to protect their religious freedom in north america and abroad is unrefutable evidence of jehovah's blessing by means of his holy spirit".. your thoughts?.

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  Correlation does not mean causation. You're friend displays the typical lazy thinking of a Witness. The WT says it has God's backing (and Spirit) because is was appointed in 1918. Have him prove that...scripturally.
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  Florida News: "Parents Almost Let Child Die, Fearing Blood Transfusion Would Change His Personality"

  by AndersonsInfo in

  1. watchtower
  2. medical

  http://blogs.browardpalmbeach.com/pulp/2011/06/blood_death_baby.php.

  parents almost let child die, fearing blood transfusion would change his personalityby victoria bekiempis.

  published: thu., jun.

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  I've heard JW's make statements like that as well, very recently. It's part of the problem that results from the Society never clearly identifying their doctrinal changes. Anyone with a WT CD library can still find this kind of nonsense from the 1970s and still think it is true. After all, the faithful slave is always right.
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  No mention in KMs of any increase in pubs. in U.S. for half of service year

  by Gayle in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i notice, on another ex-jw site, for their "field service highlights" for the u.s. (not counting turks island) , it doesn't mention any increase in 'publishers' for half of the service year, sept. '10- february '11 (6 mos).

  makes me assume there hasn't been any or much, otherwise they would have tooted their horn about it.

  however, there has been quite an increase in pios.

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  They'll be turning in a mass of reports (from all the slackers) in August and claim a huge increase - in 2009 they claimed almost 50,000 new publishers in August.
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  New understanding of 144.000

  by Newborn in

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  2. friends

  hi ya'll !.

  haven't been posting in a loooong time and perhaps this has already been discussed but i've heard that they're coming with a new understanding of the 144.000. that it should be taken symbolically and not literally!?.

  i guess they have to change it since so many more apparently belongs to the anointed ones..... well i hope this will make a few of them think and leave.. thx.

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  What they will do is stop publishing the number of partakers at the memorial. A simple and effective way to handle the problem. They will also continue to use the term 'Genuine Anointed' which suggests a distinction without being too direct about it -- the GB loves to be passive-aggressive.
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  Waking Up From a 34 Year Slumber.

  by alg1052 in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  july 11, 2011 will be 34 years since i was baptised as one of jw's.

  the sleeping pill i took was in the form of them providing the information that made the bible come alive with the truth and insisting that they go by the bible not adding or taking away from it.

  i had negative experiences from local brothers from time to time, however i excused them as part of being imperfect.

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  Alg, one thing about Matthew 24:14, this scripture identifies a work that would be done during a particular period of time - not a particular religious group. Additionally, Matthew had a 1st century fulfillment, yet, the Society still operates on a Parallel Dispensations interpretive model of the bible, claiming that many parts of the bible have a secondary, larger fulfillment. However, is there any evidence according to Jesus' words that a second fulfillment would take place?
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  Waking Up From a 34 Year Slumber.

  by alg1052 in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  july 11, 2011 will be 34 years since i was baptised as one of jw's.

  the sleeping pill i took was in the form of them providing the information that made the bible come alive with the truth and insisting that they go by the bible not adding or taking away from it.

  i had negative experiences from local brothers from time to time, however i excused them as part of being imperfect.

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  Alg, welcome and remember that the emotions you face, and the ones you will yet face, have been dealt with by many on this board. Some end up going right back into a control group and others push through the difficulties and grow. Read the three books already mentioned and you'll build a foundation for understanding how this happened and set the stage for growing beyond it. And, if it is your choice to maintain your belief in Christianity, remember that Peter did not ask where will we go but to whom.
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  Gems from the August 15, 2011 WT

  by Ultimate Reality in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  pdfs can be obtained at jw.org.... spiritual gem #1. perhaps witnesses should apply the standard the wt recommends for gathering information on the internet to wt publications; from page 4:.

  (1) who published this.

  material?

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  PDFs can be obtained at jw.org...

  Spiritual Gem #1. Perhaps Witnesses should apply the standard the WT recommends for gathering information on the internet to WT publications; from page 4:

  (1) Who published this

  material? What are the author’s credentials?

  (2)Why was this published? What motivated

  the writer? Is there any bias? (3) Where

  did the author get the information? Does he

  supply sources that can be checked? (4) Is

  the information current?

  Spiritual Gem #2. We finally have a comment regarding the Memorial partakers; from page 22:

  Memorial partakers. This is the number

  of baptized individuals who partake of the

  emblems at the Memorial worldwide. Does

  this total represent the number of anointed

  ones on earth? Not necessarily. A number

  of factors—including past religious beliefs or

  even mental or emotional imbalance—might

  cause some to assume mistakenly that they

  have the heavenly calling. We thus have no

  way of knowing the exact number of anointed

  ones on earth; nor do we need to know.

  The Governing Body does not keep a list of all

  partakers, for it does not maintain a global

  network of anointed ones.

  What we do know is that there will be

  some of the anointed “slaves of our God”

  on earth when the destructive winds of the

  great tribulation are released. (Rev. 7:1-3)

  Until then, the anointed will take the lead in

  something that is well-documented by our

  annual service report—the greatest preaching

  and teaching work in human history.